Trey Gowdy on Sunday Morning Futures discusses John Durham’s Probe and bombshell evidence that could change everything with Maria Bartimono.
Maria Bartiromo: Welcome back, Attorney General Bill Barr gearing up to testify in front of the house Judiciary Committee, that’s happening on March 31st after news this past week that former FBI director Andrew McCabe has escaped all charges from the DOJ in its investigation of his lack of candor and leaks in the Hillary Clinton investigation. Joining me right now is Fox News contributor, former Republican South Carolina congressman and former House Oversight Committee Chairman, Trey Gowdy. Trey it is great to see you this morning and thanks very much for being here.
Trey Gowdy: Yes, ma’am, thank you.
Maria Bartiromo: We are lucky to have you this morning as you are one of only two congressmen that were able to see the redacted information two congressmen from the GOP that we’re seeing the redacted documents that was so important to both of those investigations, the Hillary Clinton investigation and that Trump collusion Russia investigation. Why do you think McCabe is getting off here from the DOJ He’s already admitted to lying, right Trey. Is there something we don’t know that the DOJ is clearing Andrew McCabe?
Trey Gowdy: Well, Andy McCabe is not being indicted for a very discrete fact pattern, which is simply the leaking of information to bolster his own credibility during the Clinton investigation. That’s it, and, and we should have known weeks, and, and any other potential misconduct that Andy McCabe may have engaged in. That’s a really narrow discrete fact pattern that he’s not being indicted for.
Maria Bartiromo: So it could actually be that he’s cooperating with John Durham, or that he’s looking, or a suspect in the John Durham now criminal probe. Is that right?
Trey Gowdy: Well he certainly somebody that John Durham would want to talk to, and it could range, it can go the whole range from he didn’t do anything wrong, and he did admit to misrepresentation, but that’s a little bit different than intentionally misrepresenting or an intentionally false statement. It could be that he’s just simply not guilty. It could be that he’s cooperating with John Durham, or it could be that he still under investigation for other fact patterns not related to that discreet one with the leak at end in the Clinton investigation.
Maria Bartiromo: I see. Let me ask you about John Durnhan and what he’s looking at now because we’re all waiting to see what’s going on, and we understand that he’s been looking at John Brennan’s communication as well, then the head of the CIA. In your opinion what John Durham looking at?
Trey Gowdy: Marie, he’s looking at three things, the factual predicate for this Russia investigation, and I’m not talking about the summer of 2016, I’m talking about stuff that happened in late 2015 and early 2016. Remember the DOJ and the FBI told Paul Ryan and Devin Nunes and myself repeatedly and exclusively that nothing happened before June of 2016, no payments were made, no contact with the Trump campaign. I’m sure John Deere is also looking at the FISA process and this representations made to the FISA Court. I think he’s also looking at that ICA, that intelligence Community Assessment that John Brennan got done towards the end of the Barack Obama tenure, to make sure whether or not that was thoroughly investigated and whether or not all the right information made its way into that ICA. Three important things, three separate things.
Maria Bartiromo: And you were among those questioning a number of witnesses to try to get to the bottom of this. You actually questioned John Brennan, and John Brennan told you straight out the dossier had nothing to do with the FISA process. We now know that was one of the single things they used, the dossier, to actually get those FISA warrants. But I also want to show this counter-intel activity timeline that we have put together here, and it shows the General Flynn was paid to speak in Moscow in December 2015, and George Papadopoulos was invited to a conference in Rome in March of 16, and then Mitzvah, Joseph Mitzvah told Papadopoulos in April of 2016 that Russia had Hillary Clinton emails. The list goes on and on, April, May, all the way up to July 31st when the actual counter-intelligence probe started according to the FBI. So what about all this other stuff happening at the end of 15 and early 16, that these are serious informants running up against Trump campaign people, How do you explain that if the investigation started in July, Trey?
Trey Gowdy: Thank goodness I don’t have to. The folks at the FBI and th DOJ, they’re the ones that are going to have to explain whether or not Michael Flynn speaking in Russia with something they were looking at separate, or whether or not they were looking at that because he was an advisor to the Trump campaign. I could not be more clear, we asked the DOJ and the FBI repeatedly, did anything happen before June of 2016? We asked them at main justice, we ask him in a skiff in the basement of the capital, and the answer was always the same. Nothing happened with respect to the Trump campaign before June of 2016, and if something did happen, then either the FBI misrepresented facts to us, or, it wasn’t the FBI, it was another agency that was doing it. Both of those are important to know, and John Durham, I hope, is going to be able to answer that question.
Maria Bartiromo: And of course if its the CIA we know why John Dorman is looking at John Brennan, as he was all over TV saying that the president was committing treason, when in fact he was running the CIA. Perhaps the CIA was sending these informants in. Real quickly, before you go, Trey, I have to ask about the exculpatory evidence that you have seen, you broke the news on this program over a year ago you said that there was a transcript of a conversation between George Papadopoulos, I said that, not you, and an informant, where basically George Papadopoulos said to the guy, no I would never do that, that’s treason. What else do we need to know about that exculpatory piece of evidence?
Trey Gowdy: Well I want you to imagine this, hypothetically, Maria, imagine that you’re accused of a crime, and this is your response, number one, I didn’t do, so factually that’s pretty important. Number one I wouldn’t do, and number two, I would never do that because it is a crime for which you can be put to death and it is a crime against the country that I love. If that’s your response to an accusation that you engaged in improper conduct, that is textbook exclamatory evidence. You really can’t draw off a better piece of exculpatory evidence then I didn’t do it, I would never do, it is a crime to do it. So. so if that happened, then the court needed to know about.
Maria Bartiromo: This is, this is a little more, a little more information that you gave us in so many words, that is, that transcript that you have to believe John Durham is looking, and everyone is looking at in charge, because it was not given to the FISA Court to get those warrants. They said that two of the four FISA warrants were unlawful, I’m putting my money that perhaps more than two of them are unlawful. Congressman Trey Gowdy, its good to see you this morning. thank you, sir.
Trey Gowdy: Yes ma’am, you too.
Maria Bartiromo: We will see you soon, Trey Gowdy.