Ray Epps Sr. was so concerned about major violence or terrorism in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021, that he showed his son and a friend how to use a tourniquet in case of a bomb explosion or other disaster, according to FBI records obtained by The Epoch Times.
During an interview with two FBI agents in Utah, Epps’s son—James Ray Epps Jr., 38—said the sobering talk from his father came as the trio was preparing to head to the Ellipse to hear President Donald Trump speak on Jan. 6, 2021.
“‘There’s gonna be a lot of people there. And there’s going to be people that want to hurt people,’” Epps Jr. quoted his father saying. “‘If there’s people that want to hurt people, there’s going to be people that get hurt.
“‘If there’s something that happens, you guys need to know that you need to help each other,’ and he grabs the gauze and he’s, you know, he’s a military man, and he pulled out the tourniquets and says, ‘I want to show you guys how to use this if something happens, you got to help other people.’”
Epps Jr. recounted that conversation in a 40-minute FBI interview on April 13, 2021, according to an audio recording of the meeting obtained by The Epoch Times.
The recording is part of a collection of Epps-related material obtained by the newspaper, including FBI interview summaries, FBI audio recordings, transcripts, videos, and photographs.
Epps Sr., 61, has been at the center of a storm of controversy and speculation since June 2021, when Revolver News profiled him as a provocateur who encouraged people to go into the Capitol.
He was never arrested or charged.
His photo was originally No. 16 on the FBI Jan. 6, 2021, most-wanted page but was later scrubbed from the site without explanation.
Records obtained by The Epoch Times show that Epps Sr. believed there would be a bomb attack on a side street of Washington on Jan. 6, 2021, which prompted him to bring a first-aid kit when he traveled to the city from Arizona.
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